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24/06/2004

Here is a link to a must read byChristopher Hitchens on Michael Moore its great and to the point. Hitchens is quickly becoming one of my favorite leftists, if he wasnt just so damn anti-religion.
Here is an excerpt from it: Fahrenheit 9/11 makes the following points about Bin Laden and about Afghanistan, and makes them in this order:

1) The Bin Laden family (if not exactly Osama himself) had a close if convoluted business relationship with the Bush family, through the Carlyle Group.

2) Saudi capital in general is a very large element of foreign investment in the United States.

3) The Unocal company in Texas had been willing to discuss a gas pipeline across Afghanistan with the Taliban, as had other vested interests.

4) The Bush administration sent far too few ground troops to Afghanistan and thus allowed far too many Taliban and al-Qaida members to escape.

5) The Afghan government, in supporting the coalition in Iraq, was purely risible in that its non-army was purely American.

6) The American lives lost in Afghanistan have been wasted. (This I divine from the fact that this supposedly "antiwar" film is dedicated ruefully to all those killed there, as well as in Iraq.)

It must be evident to anyone, despite the rapid-fire way in which Moore's direction eases the audience hastily past the contradictions, that these discrepant scatter shots do not cohere at any point. Either the Saudis run U.S. policy (through family ties or overwhelming economic interest), or they do not. As allies and patrons of the Taliban regime, they either opposed Bush's removal of it, or they did not. (They opposed the removal, all right: They wouldn't even let Tony Blair land his own plane on their soil at the time of the operation.) Either we sent too many troops, or were wrong to send any at all—the latter was Moore's view as late as 2002—or we sent too few. If we were going to make sure no Taliban or al-Qaida forces survived or escaped, we would have had to be more ruthless than I suspect that Mr. Moore is really recommending. And these are simply observations on what is "in" the film. If we turn to the facts that are deliberately left out, we discover that there is an emerging Afghan army, that the country is now a joint NATO responsibility and thus under the protection of the broadest military alliance in history, that it has a new constitution and is preparing against hellish odds to hold a general election, and that at least a million and a half of its former refugees have opted to return. I don't think a pipeline is being constructed yet, not that Afghanistan couldn't do with a pipeline. But a highway from Kabul to Kandahar—an insurance against warlordism and a condition of nation-building—is nearing completion with infinite labor and risk. We also discover that the parties of the Afghan secular left—like the parties of the Iraqi secular left—are strongly in favor of the regime change. But this is not the sort of irony in which Moore chooses to deal.



From MooreWatch a informative flyer
MICHAEL MOORE IS NOT TELLING YOU THE WHOLE TRUTH
FIND OUT THE TRUTH
Michael Moore is a media darling. The chances are that you have never heard any of the facts listed in this flyer. This is because the vast majority of the people in the major media agree with Moore's viewpoints and will do virtually nothing to challenge him. There are, however, numerous online resources where you can find out all of Moore's dirty secrets. The website address below contains links to get you started, as well as providing the sources for every fact presented in this flyer. Fahrenheit 9/11 ends with Moore telling you to "Do Something." We think that is excellent advice..moorewatch.com/f911
If you have recently seen Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11, there's a lot you haven't been told. If you are interested in learning more about the man behind the message, his deceptive tactics, and what he really thinks of average Americans like you, read on.
Michael Moore is a master manipulator and a very creative filmmaker, two things that do not often translate into truthful documentaries. With this film he is actively courting the general public to his radical socialist message. Before you accept what you've seen as the truth, we urge you to do some research and see if what you find matches what you were told in Fahrenheit 9/11. Whether you are Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, you owe it to yourself to learn about Michael Moore's agenda, his beliefs, and the type of man he is. Consider both sides and make up your own mind.

IS FAHRENHEIT 9/11 FACTUALLY ACCURATE?

• Moore claims that President Bush arranged special flights to
get the bin Laden family out of America. The truth is that
former Terrorism Czar and Bush Administration critic Richard
Clarke has stated that the decision was his and his alone, and
the 9/11 Commission supports this claim.

• Moore claims that the only reason the US invaded Afghani-stan
was to build a pipeline. As of this writing the pipeline still
has not been built, and there are no plans for one.
Space prevents us from listing more of the many gross lies,
half-truths, and distortions in this film.

MICHAEL MOORE HATES THE MILITARY

In Fahrenheit 9/11 Moore goes to great pains to paint himself
as an ardent admirer of the men and women serving in the
military, but the truth is remarkably different.

• Describing terrorists in Iraq: "The Iraqis who have risen up
against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The
Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their
numbers will grow -- and they will win."

• Calling for the deaths of American soldiers: "I'm sorry, but the
majority of Americans supported this war once it began and,
sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until
enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God
and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end."

MICHAEL MOORE HATES BUSINESS

Do you own a small business? Do you work for one? You
might be interested to hear what Moore thinks of your contribu-tion
to America. On small businesses in Flint, Michigan: "You
know in my town the small businesses that everyone wanted to
protect? They were the peoplethat supported all the right-wing
groups. They were the Republicans in the town, they were in
the Kiwanas, the Chamber of Commerce - people that kept the
town all white. The small hardware salesman, the small
clothing store salespersons . . . F___ all these small
businesses - f___ 'em all! Bring in the chains! The small
businesspeople are the rednecks that run the town and
suppress the people. F___ 'em all. That's how I feel."

DOES MICHAEL MOORE THINK YOU'RE STUPID?

Moore has two different messages. In America, he plays the
role of "hero of the common man." When in other countries,
however, he debases and insults the very common Americans
that he claims to represent.

• To German fans Moore asked, "Should such an ignorant
people [Americans] lead the world?"

• When a Japanese interviewer remarked that Moore did not
appear to like America very much, his response was, "I like
America to some extent."

• In England, regarding American intelligence: "They are
possibly the dumbest people on the planet."

• Moore seemed relieved to not be around his fellow Americans
while in Canada: "Just for my own mental health, I need to go
and sit in a room with 600 Canadians and watch this movie
with them."

Are these the opinions of a man who respects you enough to
tell you the unvarnished truth, or is he manipulating you in
order to make money?

MOORE MANIPULATES VICTIMS

Moore held a screening of Bowling for Columbine in Littleton
and charged admission the families of the victims.

• Columbine victim mother Anne Hechter: "It's laughable that
Moore attempts to portray himself as an anti-establishment
liberal who is the voice of the common folk, when in fact he is
no better than the greedy capitalists he shuns. Maybe now that
he has made millions of dollars off the blood of our children he
could toss a DVD or two our way to view."

• Mark Taylor, one of the victims that Moore took to K-Mart
headquarters, on Moore: "I am completely against him. He
screwed me over. I had no idea what Moore's agenda was.
And he had an agenda. He had it all planned out, completely. I
believe that every American has the right to have a gun. We
should have the right to protect ourselves."

21/06/2004

Here is a nice little email from a lefty I have been communicating with, since he tried using AGITPROP on me let me respond in kind. His original writing is in bold, my responses are followed with (normal type)

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:55:05 -0400
From: "Matt B" View Contact Details
To: "chris mack"
Subject: I dont give a shit about the nazi platform because it has nothing to do with the way I live or think (Having nothing to do with the way you live has nothing to do with the fact that you and the Nazi Party share many of the same ideals)

Wow 72 percent! What about lying to get us to go to war?(Thats an original one. How about the fact that we never signed a truce? Or the fact that he violated 17 UN resolutions? Or Vladimir Putins recent revelations? Or the fact that Clinton/Gore and a majority of EuropeanNations say he did in fact have WMD's? Nah you cant prove he lied, so you say he did anyways.)
Stealing the election with the help of his brother? ( Really have any proof of this? How about the fact that Gore himself
attempted to change the law using the Florida Supreme or the fact that the NyTimes and other newspapers performed there own recount and found out that no matter which way you count Bush still won. Or if Gore had just won his own home state he would be El Presidente right now) or the patriot act? taking away our rights? ( Really?Name one right YOU have lost because of it. Name just one. Of course your mind isnt complex enough to understand the fact that the Patriot Act is an extension of the RICO act signed into law by Carter and was used against Pro-Life Organizations to stop them from protesting under Bill Clinton) giving the rich and large corporations huge tax breaks? ( So I guess I am rich now since I received a tax-break? Wow didnt know that better call my creditors and let them know on this one. Everybody across the board received a tax-cut you moron, And what right is it of yours to say somebody is not allowed to keep there own money? I thought you "populists" believed in equality)and trying to eliminate the middle class(I COULD GO ALL DAY LONG!).(I bet you could, to bad you havent been right once. This is the first time I have ever heard such an outlandish accusation such as Bush wants to eliminate the middle class, that statement is so void of reality I will just let it stand on its own merits)
How about being an insane fundamentalist who believes he was appointed by god and thinks creationism should be taught in schools and in the end of days(which is why he is trashing the environment). ( Wow you are really grasping here, just like a Nazi to place names and false accusations on somebody. Radical Fundamentalist ha. Trash the environment to start the end of days, ha. I need to find out what you are smoking this is too good to miss.)
Also since you're in the army, how do you feel about him not attending the funeral of anyone thats died in Iraq (How do you know he hasnt. He visited me at Walter Reed and there wasnt a single member of the Press there. How about the fact Bush has talked to every single killed soldiers family over the phone or in person, ooh wait sorry reality hurts doesnt it) or cutting $600 million from the Veterans Administration budget which is already underfunded. ( Wow another regurgitated leftist lie. The fact that VA spending has gone way up under Bush must have escaped you here is a link that will help you out Fact Check
)
In his life he got mediocre grades in high school, got accepted to Yale and made horrible grades while he was there,(Horrible grades? Lol he did better than Gores D average and he never once flunked out like Gore did in Seminary school, wow this is incredible usually a lefty has better arguments) partied his way through it, and got arrested a few times(one for cocaine possesion, one for a dui and one he was drunk in public),(So what? Really who cares. Remember its not fair according to you guys to talk about a persons private life, hypocrite) went awol (actually its desertion) ( Actually neither, and you of all people are the least qualified to speak on this subject, I on the other hand know from experience and from reading his DOD paperwork know that he wasnt AWOL and most certainly was not desertion, you do not, ever, receive an Honorable discharge, ever, if you have went AWOL or deserted period, end of story. That his been debunked so many times it takes a real retard to continue claiming it)
from the Texas Air National Guard which is hard to get in to but not if daddy pulls a few strings for you so you don't have to get drafted after you graduate, and there is no proof of anyone seeing him there and this is documented with ( Yes there is plenty of proof Chomskyite, many of his superiors have come out and said yes they remember him)
superiors also saying they never saw him, ran an oil company( shit our vice president was the ceo for Haliburton, that explains so much right there), (Really some how it is now a sin to work? Wow this is a new one on me, I better call some friends who slave in oilfields to tell them to quit because it is a sin to work for a massive oil company, I guess you didnt know that Halliburton is the ONLY company of its kind that does the work it does but thats no biggy huh, just the facts) he was rich and pampered his whole life with everything handed to him, (So what, Kerry was too, along with many millions of other people, and for you to find problems with that says more about your own self loathing than any other thing. Not to mention there really hasnt been a single President who didnt come from a pampered background, maybe Reagan and Lincoln qualify but thats about it) executed the most people ever while being governor along with tons of other things he did I won't even get into. (Really? Wow I didnt know this, quick call the Press they just might want to hear this one. A Governor actually did all the executions wow,a new one I tell yah. Forget the fact the Governor doesnt sign execution orders,doesnt actually carry them out, doesnt work on the board that stops executions and did not sign the Texas execution law into existance, you just might have a point)
DON'T EVER underestimate my intelligence and discredit me ( Who needs to your own writing speaks for itself) because I'm young or try to guess what class I fall into because I work 2 jobs and I live with my dad in an apartment so I don't fall into either. (So what, boohoo the world owes you so much, get over yourself. This is a prime example of why liberalism is a failure. Reading into you sentence once can tell that you feel you are owed by soiety and since you are owed then other people MUST feel that way, classic pity me syndrome)
Joseph Kennedy was a democrat in the fucking 1800s(What? He is the father of JFK in the 1900's genius) and fuck Charles Lindbergh, I couldn't give a shit about either. I'm neither Republican or Democrat and I didn't support Clinton or Gore and I dont like Kerry.You can't even compare what Bush has done with Chomsky! He supposedly messed up numbers on the Vietnam war( is that all you have on him? ). ( Its called an example not a breakdown of all Chomsky has lied about you fricking dumbass, go continue and suck his nuts since you have an obvius problem with reality. If I wante to sit through and write all of Chomsky's distortion it would take me literally years)
You are so fucking ignorant and brainwashed (Really? Are you the same person that just wrote this email? And I am the one who is brainwashed, ha!)it's unbelievable. don't email me with another stupid fucking reply! (Such A Nice person, cant wait for your tolerant ass to become a leader someday, maybe you can study Saddam or Stalin to learn about pogroms)



As you can see this guy is a real piece of work. Thank god there are people like him to show the world the real left. I know I know I got a little touchy with the goon, but hey I figured its the only language this immature guy would understand.

09/06/2004

Well the challenge has been set on why Michael Moore is so bad. Thats cool. I think one link to Richard Bushnell's Bowling for the Truth should do the trick. I will never begrudge anybody there own personal politics, never. But I will always begrudge those who profit off death like Moore does. Those who proclaim that everybody should be taxed 90% while the proclaimer hoards every dime he makes in sheer hypocracy, not even giving a dime to charity. A person once said to me its not the truth in the message that matters with Moore its the message itself. Thats just plain silly. They might have taken a page right out Goebbels playbook, tell a lie often enough it will become the truth. Thats right I just compared Moore to Hitler's propoganda minister. I actually have far more respect for Al Franken than I do for Moore.

Moore has called for the death of more US Soldiers " so America can learn its lesson". He has called the terrorists "minutemen and patriots". And the left takes his word as the Gospel.

I will say this again the left has far more in common with Nazism than any right winger ever has had. All one has to do is look at the Nazi Party Platform to scare a person straight away from liberalism.
I don't really know him enough to write about him. I've maybe talked to
him twice, but I do know his brother who is 17 and that may be who came
up in your search. So I can't write an article but there was a Mike
Prysner that is 20 now, went to my school which is Sickles located in
Tampa, and was an army recruiter. Also why would Michael Moore lie? I
don't doubt that hes stretched the truth a few times and shown some
events out of order but that is in no way comparable to all the things
George Bush has done. I bet some people may write a bogus letter to him
and he reads it but doesnt check to see if he/she is even in the army.
My problem with Mike is that he isn't backing Nader this time and he is
so passionate about exposing the truth and attacking corrupt
corporations but he couldnt give a crap about his health. So since I
wrote an article for your website I think you should write an article
on
why he's so bad and include facts because I don't know of any.

matt


07/06/2004

I received an email today from a Matt B. in Florida who went to school with a Mike Prysner. The same Mike Prysner who has a featured email at Michael Moores website and the same one who I questioned as actually being in the military and being old enough to serve. According to Matt he is in fact what he says he is. I apoligize for this and will immediately edit my opinion piece. I have also invited Matt B. to maek an article on him so I can post it here in the name of fairness. Hopefully he will.

06/06/2004

When the Pope slammed America's supposed self-centeredness I was taken aback. On moral issues he may have a point, but it still misses the mark. Does the Pope not recognize that in America we tend to not mix our morals as a national cause celeb? As much as the media may try and define us as such this is not the case in any sense. When the homosexual lobby began to shove its morals down everybody's throats we just didn't sit there and accept it, we attempt to fight and stop the advance. On abortion we are still at war to end it. None of these are an artifact of state designation or of a vast majority of Americans.

Most Americans cringe at the thought of Brittany Spears having influence on today's youth as we did with Madonna, and even with Elvis. The problem is I believe not with the American people but with our media and censorship laws. We can not legally fight these within the confines of our constitution,but we as conservatives and we as Christians need to lay in place a long term solution. We need to encourage our youth to become journalists and to become actors and musicians. Much as a sinful man comes to G-D by changing his heart, to affect real change in society you must change it from within.

We as Americans are some of the most selfless individuals in this world. We feed the hungry in our enemies own home, we send our own young to die for the right of not only protecting our own self interests but to give liberty and freedom a chance for somebody else. Even when a disease runs rampant in a part of the world most people wish to forget, we send our money to them so they may live better lives. Sure its true that as a percentage of our GDP our foreign aide is fairly low, but when you look at American charities you see the real goodwill and selflessness of the American heart. The US has only an estimated 60 million Catholics(out of an estimated 1.2 billion) yet they donate nearly 3 billion dollars a year to the Catholic Charities, more than any nation on this Earth. And they are just part in the cog of Americas charitable heart.

When we go to war we don't go as land grabbers for an Imperial throne. The only land we have asked in return for saving a nation from tyranny was enough to bury our dead and to build an Embassy. When we have won the day instead of kicking our enemy when down or looting its wealth we rebuild them ,we give them money , we help them to become a better people and a better nation. Sure we aren't perfect but the peace and prosperity in Europe, Japan and South Korea should be testament enough to our own selflessness.

In closing I want to say yes we are indeed in a battle for our moral soul right now in America but to label us as a nation of selfish people is in no small words wrong.

I know I promised to not breach this issue but I thought it was important enough to at least get my 2 cents out there.
I was going to slam the Popes remarks on American self-centeredness today but I decided not too. With the passing of one of the 20th century's true titans it would be inappropriate of me to do so, in recognitian of the Popes help in ending the cold war and in honor of my fallen hero President Ronald Wilson Reagan.

The left in there most insidious manners are already dancing on the grave of this man. I can go down the list and debunk or defend every myth they have about him, from Nicaragua to Homelessness but I wont. As President George H. W. Bush has said, "I will never apoligize for America". Hence we as Americans should never apoligize for Reagan, his policies from reducing the tax-rates to increasing military spending, although costly did far more than just increase deficits they created millions of jobs, forced the USSR to spend themselves into oblivian and created a military force that the world has never seen before.

President Reagan instilled in us a pride we had not seen since the 1950's. His infectious hope and belief in what America can do and would do is something that we may never see again in the Presidency.

I was a kid in 1984 when he got re-elected in a historic landslide. We did one of our class polls on who would win, me being unique and different was the only kid in a class of 30 to vote for Mondale. I guess the old adage is true " If you are a conservative when you are young you have no heart, but if you are a liberal when you are old then you have no brain" I guess my liberalism came a little early. 2 years later in my 6th grade class we were watching the Space Shuttle Challenger take off, and then tragedy hit, there wasnt a dry eye in that room or that school, it is a memory that will forever be ingrained in my mind. President Reagans speech later on is what sealed for me my love for him and country. So I would like to end this blog today with his own words on the Challenger disaster:


Address to the nation on the Challenger disaster
Oval Office
January 28, 1986



A few hours after the disaster, this speech was delivered to the American people via nationwide radio and television.
648 words

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd planned to speak to you tonight to report on the state of the union, but the events of earlier today have led me to change those plans. Today is a day for mourning and remembering. Nancy and I are pained to the core by the tragedy of the shuttle Challenger. We know we share this pain with all of the people of our country. This is truly a national loss.

Nineteen years ago, almost to the day, we lost three astronauts in a terrible accident on the ground. But we've never lost an astronaut in flight; we've never had a tragedy like this. And perhaps we've forgotten the courage it took for the crew of the shuttle; but they, the Challenger Seven, were aware of the dangers, but overcame them and did their jobs brilliantly. We mourn seven heroes: Michael Smith, Dick Scobee, Judith Resnik, Ronald McNair, Ellison Onizuka, Gregory Jarvis, and Christa McAuliffe. We mourn their loss as a nation together.

For the families of the seven, we cannot bear, as you do, the full impact of this tragedy. But we feel the loss, and we're thinking about you so very much. Your loved ones were daring and brave, and they had that special grace, that special spirit that says, "Give me a challenge and I'll meet it with joy." They had a hunger to explore the universe and discover its truths. They wished to serve, and they did. They served all of us.

We've grown used to wonders in this century. It's hard to dazzle us. But for 25 years the United States space program has been doing just that. We've grown used to the idea of space, and perhaps we forget that we've only just begun. We're still pioneers. They, the members of the Challenger crew, were pioneers.

And I want to say something to the school children of America who were watching the live coverage of the shuttle's takeoff. I know it is hard to understand, but sometimes painful things like this happen. It's all part of the process of exploration and discovery. It's all part of taking a chance and expanding man's horizons. The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. The Challenger crew was pulling us into the future, and we'll continue to follow them.

I've always had great faith in and respect for our space program, and what happened today does nothing to diminish it. We don't hide our space program. We don't keep secrets and cover things up. We do it all up front and in public. That's the way freedom is, and we wouldn't change it for a minute. We'll continue our quest in space. There will be more shuttle flights and more shuttle crews and yes, more volunteers, more civilians, more teachers in space. Nothing ends here; our hopes and our journeys continue.

I want to add that I wish I could talk to every man and woman who works for NASA or who worked on this mission and tell them: "Your dedication and professionalism have moved and impressed us for decades. And we know of your anguish. We share it."

There's a coincidence today. On this day 390 years ago, the great explorer Sir Francis Drake died aboard ship off the coast of Panama. In his lifetime the great frontiers were the oceans, and a historian later said, "He lived by the sea, died on it, and was buried in it." Well, today we can say of the Challenger crew: Their dedication was, like Drake's, complete.

The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honored us by the manner in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved good-bye and "slipped the surly bonds of earth" to "touch the face of God."





Goodbye Dutch, we will win one for the Gipper.



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